Russia, India Negotiate on Human Spaceflight Cooperation

Translated from Russian using Google Translate

MOSCOW (Roscosmos PR) — On September 25, 2018, the delegation of the Roskosmos State Corporation headed by Dmitry Rogozin met with representatives of the Indian Space Research Organization (ISRO).

The main topics of negotiations between the two space organizations were: joint work within the framework of manned space programs, where the Russian side is ready to offer its significant achievements and partnership, as well as possible joint initiatives in the areas of satellite navigation.

Russia is also ready to develop cooperation with India in rocket engineering and engine building, remote sensing of the Earth (RS), space meteorology, astrophysical research and study of planets.

At present, Russia’s relations with India in the space sphere are regulated by several documents: the framework intergovernmental agreement on outer space from 2004, which came into force in 2006, the GLONASS framework agreement of 2004, which came into force in 2010, and the intergovernmental agreement on granting the Indian party access to a part of the radio-frequency spectrum and navigational signals of the GLONASS system for peaceful purposes.

In addition, memorandums of understanding were signed between the countries on expanding cooperation in the exploration of outer space (2015) and on the mutual placement of ground-based stations for measuring the Russian GLONASS system from 2016. In the last direction, in the period from 2016 to 2018, very positive changes were achieved and the ground for new joint projects was prepared.

  • duheagle

    Apparently Bradley Cooper and Lady Gaga aren’t the only ones ginning up a remake of A Star is Born. When this bilateral relationship started, Russia was definitively the senior partner. But India has come a long way on its own in the interim and Russia has seriously regressed. At the present time, the relationship is roughly one of peers. This relationship may benefit India for a few more years but, as little as a decade hence, India is likely to be well beyond needing anything the Russians will, by that time, have on offer.

  • windbourne

    Given the Choice of India vs China, I say that Russia is doing the SMART thing.

  • windbourne

    Keep in mind that when the ISS was started, I would say that all the minor partners were behind America and Russia (and each of them were behind the other depending on the area). The minor partners are still behind, but no where NEAR as much.
    With Russia and India working together, it will be easier to pull them in for a lunar trip.

    Hopefully, Bridenstein will be smart about a lunar trip and arrange to have private space handle 1 entire segment from earth to the moon. Then partner nations can fill in on a second segment.

  • Jeff Smith

    It would make technical sense do to the similarities of their systems. I would still prefer to see NASA jump in and help them – I think India would make a great (and has already been) a great space partner. I want to see Ganganyaan dock with ISS!

  • duheagle

    I would certainly very much favor involving India in any NASA lunar plans, but not Russia. Russia is a self-made enemy of the U.S. and brings nothing of importance to the table – certainly not money. We should treat them with the malign neglect they deserve and cut them out of all U.S. space activities as soon as ISS is closed down.

    Complicating any effort to corral India for a U.S. lunar effort in a centralized way is the rapidly developing fact that consequential U.S. lunar initiatives are far more likely to be both diverse and U.S. private enterprise-based than they are to be NASA-based. That being true, Indian involvement would wind up being a matter of Indian commercial and governmental entities making multiple arrangements with U.S.-based companies.

    By the way, is there some deliberate reason you continue to spell Administrator Bridenstine’s name incorrectly?

  • windbourne

    First, I do not mean to misspell his name. I have vertigo along with memory/processing issues (for the last 10 years; it is why I will not argue with somebody about most of the last 10 years ). So, I forget, and when I am using the phone, his name is not in spelling yet.

    Secondly, Russia is NOT really our enemy. The problem is that Putin is a nut job that wants to put Russia in #1 position. What happens when he dies? I think (hope?) that Russia will return to normal.
    Some of his actions, I understand. For example, his takeover (not invasion) of Crimea made sense, since NATO was encroaching on their eastern border. our treaty with Gorbi(?) said that we would stay out of Ukraine. BUT, Ukraine was trying to sign up with NATO and both Europe and America was encouraging it. His invasion of eastern Ukraine happened because W allowed him to invade Georgia and to be honest, O showed the same lack of a spine that W showed with Putin.

    It is not much different than Trump. Ask anybody outside of America, and most of America, and they will tell you that Trump is a nut job. I think (or again hope) that most of the world KNOWS that America will mostly return to normal, if not fully, once Trump is behind bars (and it is coming).

    3rd as to India, they have to straighten out their approach to trade and money before we allow them direct access to our space industry.

  • duheagle

    Condolences on your medical issues. I have some of my own. No damned fun getting old.

    Yeah, Russia is our enemy. It has been for a century with only a brief interregnum during the few years of the Yeltsin administration. Putin is simply a return to the past century’s Russian normal. Mr. Putin is certainly mortal but, unless we are fortunate enough that one of his internal enemies manages to scrag him before he dies in bed, we’d be best advised to assume at least 30 more years of implacable and opportunistic hostility on the part of Vlad the Shirtless. Nor is it a slam dunk that anyone clever, ruthless and fortunate enough to send Vlad off before his time would be any improvement – he (and it will definitely be a he, Madame Secretary flights of fancy to the contrary notwithstanding) could easily be worse.

    Given that Russian political culture has, for centuries, been all but tailor-made to usher to the top the most thoroughgoing sociopath in its leadership caste, the only relief we are likely to get from Russian arrogance and entitlement-to-rule mentality is for the Russian population to fall below the minimum necessary to maintain itself as a nation within its more or less current borders. Given that a pathetic birthrate and a declining life expectancy shrink the Russian population by a million or so per year, we can foresee that happening sometime likely no later than the last quarter of the current century.

    I think Russia will lose Siberia to China – either through face-saving purchase or via outright military annexation – sometime after 2050. China will likely put paid to Russia’s remaining nuclear deterrent at the same time. At that point, Russia will simply become a still-large, but now entirely European, nation, no longer any sort of consequential world power and not much of a military threat to any of its neighbors. It can, at that point, either change its stripes and rejoin the rest of the world as a decent global citizen, or it can accept – without any choice in the matter – continued ostracism by the genuinely civilized world until it dwindles away to nothing by the middle of the next century.

    I’m not an optimist where Russia is concerned. I think Russia will preserve its essential national character to the bitter end. No one will miss them when they’re finally gone any more than we now miss the Medes or the Parthians.

    As for Russia and NATO, first, it’s Russia’s western border at issue. Second, the deal that originally kept NATO from subsuming Georgia and Ukraine was also predicated on Ukraine giving up its nukes and on Russia respecting the territorial integrity of both nations. Putin unilaterally abrogated that respecting border thing when he grabbed off two chunks of Georgia. Ukraine saw the new Cyrillic handwriting on the wall and figured, since they no longer had nukes to deter Putin, that the only suitable substitute was NATO membership – the previous deal pretty obviously being off.

    Obama and taker-of-Russian-bribes Hillary Clinton, of course, were having none of that. Putin, naturally, struck while Obama and Clinton had their thumbs up their respective arses and grabbed off Crimea while the grabbing was good. As Obama still did nothing beyond some admittedly irksome sanctions and Hillary, who was a good politician in that she stayed bought, continued to make excuses for Russia, Putin decided to grab a bit more of Ukraine. This has turned out to be a bit of a quagmire for him, especially now that Trump is in office. May he continue to twist slowly, slowly in the Ukrainian wind.

    The opinions of people outside America about Trump are generally the product of the same overwhelming left-statist fabulation by press outlets that obtains here in the U.S. These same sorts of people have all sorts of fanciful notions about the U.S. that are equally or even more divorced from reality. I think you will also find that the number of people here who think Mr. Trump “is a nutjob” to be fewer now than at the time he was elected. His approval numbers are certainly better. Going on two years of a massively revived American economy gets noticed by most people, even if not by CNN’s and MSNBC’s few remaining viewers.

    Mr. Trump is not going to jail because he has committed no crimes. The same cannot be said for a lot of former Obama-era officials and current denizens of the Deep State in DC and elsewhere. More than a few of them will, I hope, be sewing mailbags at various Club Feds in the not-too-distant future. In a genuinely just world, most of these treasonous weasels would be getting a blindfold and a cigarette.

    What is it about India’s trade policies and money that irks you so?

  • duheagle

    Assuming, of course, that the Indians agree. The Indians have been rather disillusioned with the results of their last few arms deals with the Russians. Aircraft fall apart. The aircraft carrier India bought has been a seemingly never-ending money pit. Then there were the dead Indian submariners who got that way due to Russian incompetence. There seems little reason to expect they will have any better luck dealing with the Russians anent space. But cooperation with Russia is still a bit of a reflex in India going all the way back to the days of the so-called “Non-Aligned Movement” during the Cold War.