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	<title>Comments on: Proton Upper Stage Misfire Puts Satellites in Wrong Orbits</title>
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		<title>By: Pete Zaitcev</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete Zaitcev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2012 20:59:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nick, the RB isn&#039;t goingto work again, if there&#039;s a leak or pluggage of the helium circuit, as was alleged. Secondly, it&#039;s pointless, because satellites are separated (NORAD tracks 4 objects). And they don&#039;t have apogee engines. There was talk about starting building self-driving payloads like almost the whole world does (except the birds delivered direct by Delta IV-H).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick, the RB isn&#8217;t goingto work again, if there&#8217;s a leak or pluggage of the helium circuit, as was alleged. Secondly, it&#8217;s pointless, because satellites are separated (NORAD tracks 4 objects). And they don&#8217;t have apogee engines. There was talk about starting building self-driving payloads like almost the whole world does (except the birds delivered direct by Delta IV-H).</p>
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		<title>By: Marcus Zottl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marcus Zottl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2012 17:31:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the information Nickolai, guess I mixed a few things up.

Yes it really is very unfortunate. But I think it isn&#039;t only the situation in Russia. The worldwide economy still faces a lot of troubles, mostly because of that stupid dept crisis here in Europe. It&#039;s completely off-topic but I think all this &quot;we give you more money of you achieve your goals to tighten the government budget&quot; (speaking of Greece, but applies to any country) isn&#039;t working a bit. How much has this cost so far? I&#039;m not only talking about direct payments, but what has been lost worldwide due to the recession? Seriously, if the IMF, ECB, etc would have said &quot;well screw it, we won&#039;t see the money anyway, fix your budget and you won&#039;t have to repay everything&quot; I guess the situation would have been a lot better by now...

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the information Nickolai, guess I mixed a few things up.</p>
<p>Yes it really is very unfortunate. But I think it isn&#8217;t only the situation in Russia. The worldwide economy still faces a lot of troubles, mostly because of that stupid dept crisis here in Europe. It&#8217;s completely off-topic but I think all this &#8220;we give you more money of you achieve your goals to tighten the government budget&#8221; (speaking of Greece, but applies to any country) isn&#8217;t working a bit. How much has this cost so far? I&#8217;m not only talking about direct payments, but what has been lost worldwide due to the recession? Seriously, if the IMF, ECB, etc would have said &#8220;well screw it, we won&#8217;t see the money anyway, fix your budget and you won&#8217;t have to repay everything&#8221; I guess the situation would have been a lot better by now&#8230;</p>
<p>/rant</p>
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		<title>By: Nickolai_the_Russian_Guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nickolai_the_Russian_Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2012 00:51:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Marcus: No, it was based on Fregat, see: http://www.russianspaceweb.com/phobos_grunt_design.html

I wonder if it would be possible to re-establish contact with the stage and get it to complete it&#039;s firing? My first understanding was that they had fallen back to Earth but if they&#039;re still in orbit it might be possible to save them.

It&#039;s very unfortunate, however, that this failure had to happen, especially after so many months without a failure. It&#039;s a sign of deteriorating conditions not only in the Russian aerospace industry but in the economy as a whole, they&#039;re stagnating, and I wonder how much further the current regime can go.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marcus: No, it was based on Fregat, see: <a href="http://www.russianspaceweb.com/phobos_grunt_design.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.russianspaceweb.com/phobos_grunt_design.html</a></p>
<p>I wonder if it would be possible to re-establish contact with the stage and get it to complete it&#8217;s firing? My first understanding was that they had fallen back to Earth but if they&#8217;re still in orbit it might be possible to save them.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s very unfortunate, however, that this failure had to happen, especially after so many months without a failure. It&#8217;s a sign of deteriorating conditions not only in the Russian aerospace industry but in the economy as a whole, they&#8217;re stagnating, and I wonder how much further the current regime can go.</p>
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		<title>By: mr. mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>mr. mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2012 21:24:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[After Indonesia collects it&#039;s insurance for the lost payloads, they should call SpaceX for it&#039;s next launch.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After Indonesia collects it&#8217;s insurance for the lost payloads, they should call SpaceX for it&#8217;s next launch.</p>
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		<title>By: Marcus Zottl</title>
		<link>http://www.parabolicarc.com/2012/08/07/proton-misfire-puts-satellites-in-wrong-orbit/comment-page-1/#comment-46054</link>
		<dc:creator>Marcus Zottl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2012 20:11:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wasn&#039;t Phobos-Grunt&#039;s transfer stage also based on the Breeze M upper stage?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wasn&#8217;t Phobos-Grunt&#8217;s transfer stage also based on the Breeze M upper stage?</p>
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