Billionaire Backed Asteroid Venture Seeks KickStarter Funding to Fund Public Outreach

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Planetary Resources, a company backed by billionaires who are seeking to make trillions of dollars mining asteroids, wants the public to get involved in its venture. The catch: the public will be expected to fund whatever activities it undertakes.

That’s the message from Planetary Resources Co-founder Peter Diamandis. If the company gets enough suggestions from the public, it was begin a KickStarter campaign to seek donations from the general public to fund them.

“To offer you a chance to actually get involved, we’ve been tossing around the idea of adding additional capacity in our production run, and either offering you access to a portion of our of our orbiting spacecraft – or – if there’s enough demand, actually build you an additional Space Telescope for your own use,” Diamandis wrote in a blog post.

Now, all this is very interesting…

KickStarter is generally for smaller projects that are just getting going and have no significant amounts of funds behind them. That is not the case here. Four out of Planetary Resources five investors are billionaires and the fifth is a former member of Planetary Resources’ billionaires boys’ club.

Planetary Resources
Investor
Position(s) Net Worth
(In Billions)
Larry Page Google Co-Founder, CEO $18.7
Eric Schmidt Chairman of the Board, Google $6.9
K. Ram Shriram Founder, Sherpalo; Founding Board Member, Google $1.6
H. Ross Perot, Jr. Chairman of the Board, Perot Systems $1.4
TOTAL: $28.6

The fifth investor is Microsoft mogul and two-time ISS space tourist Charles Simonyi, who was on the Forbes list of billionaires until a few years ago.

I realize that crowd sourcing is in right now and it gets people involved and invested in the project. I get that part. There’s some logic there and if the company were a non-profit or some small start-up trying to bootstrap its way up without much money, it would make sense.

But, I don’t think this is quite the right way to go given how much money is behind this project. This just seems like a way to replace a more traditional outreach effort that the company might undertake by getting other people to pay for it. This is also a way to raise funds for the company while clothing it as part of an outreach effort. It’s also a cheap way to figure out what people will pay for without paying anyone to figure that out for you. The message is: we’ll engage the public only if they’re willing to pay us to do so and figure out our marketing strategy for us.

Why not just solicit ideas and fund whatever the company thinks are the best ones out of its own pocket.  Instead of giving a person with $100 to pledge a chance to take a picture of Earth, why n0t run a more traditional STEM that reaches thousands of students who don’t have that kind of money? And why limit it to STEM? Do a business and economics education outreach effort.

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  • http://planetaryresources.com Chris Lewicki

    Doug – Thanks for commenting on our blog post. Though we are well-funded, it doesn’t mean we should give away our products for free! Part of being a successful, well-run company involves operating like a for-profit entity! It’s like saying, ‘Hey, Microsoft is well-funded by lots of billionaires; they should give away their new tablet for free!’

    We’ve had so much unsolicited interest in something like this from our community that we wanted to explore everyone’s ideas more interactively. Asteroid exploration remains our focus, and while STEM education and outreach are important to us, we don’t want to dedicate resources to it unless we know there’s a strong and specific demand that we can respond to. Something like a Kickstarter helps us establish the level of active vs. passive interest.

    What’s YOUR favorite idea?

  • http://www.parabolicarc.com Doug Messier

    NASA Watch reports: “At the ISDC conference just a few weeks ago Eric Anderson from Planetary Resources was positively bragging about how much money they had. A room full of people heard him say this. Now they are asking for people to fund their ultra low cost telescopes on Kickstarter? What happened? Where did all those billionaires (and their money) go?”

    Is this true, Chris? I wasn’t there. Were you there?

    Oh, wait. There’s a video online of Eric’s luncheon speech on the NSS website. Let me watch it here….

  • http://www.parabolicarc.com Doug Messier

    Yeah, that’s an apt description. Looking at my notes here. Let’s see….Dream team of space financing. Other investors who are remaining anonymous. (Huh. The $28.6 billion is a low estimate. But, how low?) They had to beat off investors with a stick who were literally ready to wire money. What else?… He watched The Daily Show report on the press conference 20 times. (Huh? Interesting.) And he did a plug for Peter’s book.

    Anyway, you are certainly correct about one thing. You are extremely well funded.

    Engagement has to be done this way or you’re giving away things? That’s a straw man. Easy to set up. Even easier to knock down. I see KickStarter as largely for smaller projects that don’t have billionaire dream teams behind them. That’s all. I would have expected that when this thing was in the planning stages there would have been some money set aside for public engagement.

    There was one other interesting thing Eric said. This whole cash positive from Day 1 thing. Is that what’s driving this? Is the thinking, We have to show positive cash flow so we’ll solicit ideas from the public and get them to pay for whatever we do through some crowd source fund raising operation like KickStarter?

  • Michael Turner

    Let me see if I have the idea right.

    (1) You crowdsource a kind of online brainstorm – soliciting/filtering/selecting ideas.

    (2) You use crowdfunding to get an approximation of price signal: what will people pay to be recognized *as donors*, even if they get back something less than the value of their contribution?

    It’s very typical of startups to get into business based on one idea, then, after initial orbital insertion, to turn 90 degrees when some other opportunity suddenly looks better. What’s new here is the idea of crowdsourcing your reaction wheel torque. I see nothing wrong with the approach, so long as it’s understood that people are freely giving away their marketing advice, in stage one.

    I would have suggested Mark Klein’s Deliberatorium concept for stage one, since it’s pretty obvious that the first stage is already exhibiting some of the pathologies that Deliberatoria were designed to address. But there’s time to refine the process of refinement. The bigger problem, I think,is whether there’s a way to make much money at all on Arkyds, except for the engineering services enabled by learning how to make them (which we’re told are how the company makes money now).

    Planetary Resources has already proposed a near-term business model, essentially spelled into its name: small-scale optical remote sensing. If there’s a question mark here, it’s whether optical really has a market at such small scales. Remote sensing satellites are usually bigger; I’m no photography expert, but when you’re going for maximum optical resolution at very low exposure times, I think camera size *does* matter.

    The longer-term business model — asteroid mining — is hugely speculative and decidedly *not* the stuff of Venture Capital, which usually seeks a path to profit within half a decade. Even Eric Andersen has said that resource-return is probably decades away. The roster of Big Money Names behind the company only says, “Big Money will be available if someone can make a case for ROI.” A solid case for ROI is probably not something you want to hold your breath for, however. An insistence that the company is *really* about asteroid mining isn’t disingenuous, if the focus is on how to stay in business while finding a path forward to that goal. What I see Planetary saying here is, in effect, “We’re not sure of the path — please help us.” If nothing else, it demonstrates an appealing humility.

  • Greg Holden

    I have to agree with Doug here. Kickstarter is for underfunded new projects or start-ups with a bright idea. Planetary Resources is a billion dollar backed business, albeit still fairly new, but not what I would describe as a start-up. If Planetary Resources wants to solicite ideas from the public and engage with them I would suggest more traditional social media is used. I understand they are offering the chance to have use of, or possibly your own space telescope built and this involves a cost, and the way I see it genuine enthuisasts will offer their ideas for free. Asking them to pay money to offer ideas, albeit with a limited chance for a once in a lifetime payoff, seems a bit of a dangerous PR strategy to me and may actually alienate the strong following the company already has… I could be completely wrong, but that’s just my feeling on the matter.

  • Michael Turner

    “Kickstarter is for underfunded new projects or start-ups with a bright idea”

    It has been. But if all you see is nails being hammered, you’ll never think about the uses of the claw on the other side of the hammerhead. Kickstarter might have more uses than we know. (Please note that Kickstarter campaigns must be approved by Kickstarter, so they apparently didn’t have a problem with this one.)

    Zero G, a Diamandis startup, saw the claw on the hammerhead: they patented the business model of running zero- and reduced-gravity flights by day, package delivery by night. I don’t know if they ever executed on that, but it shows they aren’t dumb. And Planetary’s idea has a similar flavor: dayside, Arkyds look at earth resources; nightside, it’s looking for gold among the stars. (OK, OK, platinum among the stars; you knew what I meant.)

    “Planetary Resources is a billion dollar backed business”

    Um, no. It’s a startup company with some gigabuck *names* endorsing it and advising it. But that doesn’t mean those people have put anything like that kind of money behind it. They’re a pretty shrewd bunch.

    Admittedly, Diamandis has screwed up on messaging before — the infamous ISDC talk where he tried to reiterate John Walker’s actually rather clever essay about how “A Rocket a Day Keeps the High Costs Away.” Still a sensible message after all these years, but Diamandis picked wrong medium. In an essay pointing to a Nazi proto-space-program effort, you can add all the necessary qualifications — and Walker did. In a speech or panel discussion, you’ve just brought Godwin’s Law down on your own head.

    But I don’t think going to Kickstarter in this way would be much of a message screwup, if at all. Sure, it’s problematic. But the proof is in the pudding, and so far, the pudding is some ideas that might yet be blended and cooked into a decent revenue stream. And is there anything flatly unethical about it? I don’t see that either. We shouldn’t let our envy of these people’s wealth get in the way of seeing that they might simply be trying to figure out for themselves if Planetary is a good investment, and trying new and different ways to figure it out.

  • http://www.parabolicarc.com Doug Messier

    I hope Kickstarter remains primarily for small, underfunded projects. Planetary Resources entering it would be like an elephant wading into a kiddie pool. Keep Kickstarter for the small projects and let the bigger companies wade in the river.

    I don’t know if Planetary Resources has actually asked Kickstarter for approval for anything yet. I think this is something that Diamandis proposed doing.

    So Diamandis’ $13,000 per rocket, wouldn’t we all want to volunteer to be slaves to conquer space talk was actually lifted from somebody else’s essay he didn’t even credit? Now it makes sense. I could never figure out where he pulled that from. I’ve read almost everything published about Peenemunde and Mittlewerk and never ran across any estimate of the per unit cost of the V-2.

    Nobody in their right mind would have even estimated it knowing that 20,000 unpaid slaves died in the Mittlewerk hell. (Walker, for some strange reason, doesn’t mention how many people died, either.) It was like three times more than died in the attacks. I’ve toured the Mittlewerk tunnels. An appalling place.

  • Michael Turner

    “I don’t know if Planetary Resources has actually asked Kickstarter for approval for anything yet.”

    Admittedly, I haven’t gone looking for a reaction from Kickstarter. Maybe there is one already, and maybe it’s not good.

    “Nobody in their right mind would have even estimated it …. never ran across any estimate of the per unit cost of the V-2.”

    John Walker might be a little crazy, but he’s not exactly stupid. And the argument that cheap space access is only a matter of economies of scale in manufacturing is actually quite a popular one in NewSpace circles. (In fact, Rand Simberg felt that he could wave away an entire essay of mine http://www.thespacereview.com/article/180/1 on the basis of that argument alone.)

    Walker’s Rocket a Day essay:

    http://www.fourmilab.ch/documents/rocketaday.html

    After Walker’s back-of-the-envelope calculation (his $13K is based on 1993 dollars, by the way, so Diamandis even had *that* wrong), he writes:

    “Stating the obvious…. The V-2 was a suborbital vehicle, intended to lob high explosive over relatively short distances. Quantity production of the V-2 at Mittelwerk was accomplished with unpaid slave labour under the brutal rule of the SS. And the failure rate was unacceptable by current standards.”

    After further analysis/handwaving, however, Walker arrives at $1.3M per launch for paid labor working in relatively automated factories producing relatively reliable vehicles reaching orbit. $333/lb? That price would spur a lot of the more financially comfortable baby boomers to ding their retirement kitties for a trip to orbit ….

    Diamandis would have been much better off if he had initially credited Walker and put the various caveats — including the slave labor factor — front and center. And I understand what you’re saying about sanity here. But in some view of things, nobody at NASA in his right mind would have hired anybody associated with the terror bombing of civilians. That’s a rear-view-mirror picture, however. (Not least because the U.S. itself had engaged in terror bombing, hitting the urban cores of about 60 Japanese cities, and in some cases using similar tactics in Europe.) Somehow, von Braun became part of our pantheon, and he was hardly the only Paperclip brain imported.

    If you want to make a case for economical space access, you have to take your existence proofs where you can find them. The main thing Diamandis showed at ISDC 2006 is that you should be very careful how you make that case. Diamandis might be singing off-key about Kickstarter funding for Arkyd missions. Who knows? But it seems like every day, recently, I re-learn something Monte Davis once wrote, sagely, around the same time as that Diamandis gaffe: “Everybody wants space.” What John Carter McKnight called the Spacefaring Web may require the Web itself, and all its communication innovations. Kickstarter is one of these innovations, and if everybody wants Planetary Resources to succeed, I think only a serious messaging error would doom any such Kickstarter campaign.

  • Doubting Tom

    Lets not forget the Diamandis pronouncements after the Scaled Composites explosion. He was instantly available to explain what it all meant. And apparently it had nothing to do with safety.

    Peter Diamandis, founder of the nonprofit X Prize Foundation that awarded SpaceShipOne $10 million, said the tragedy should not ground the SpaceShipTwo project. “This was an industrial accident. This has nothing to do with spaceflight,” he said. “I have complete confidence that they are building a safe and robust spaceship.”

    How’d he know that? With no investigation? Scaled spent a year investigating it. They issued a report outlining best practices for handling nitrous oxide and turned engine dev to Sierra Nevada. Never explained it. Do they even know? How could he know?